This episode of the podcast brings us Joseph Gordon of Johnson University. He was visiting Saint Leo University to speak about Henri de Lubac and his use of scripture in resistance to the Nazis. In this conversation with Steve Okey, Joseph will speak about his research on this aspect of de Lubac’s life and work, how the Catholic theologians de Lubac and Lonergan have shaped Gordon’s work as a theologian in the Churches of Christ tradition, and what a Lonerganian view of assessment and student learning outcomes might look like. They also discuss Gordon’s love of snakes, which fits perfectly with living in Florida.